Making the difference involving parents better in schools
Question 21
If you do not agree that the principle of parental involvement should be retained by the involvement of parent forums in the new senior appointments processes, please give your reasons.
"1, We believe parents
should be involved on a formal basis in appointments"
"2, N/A"
"3, See question
20"
"4, "
"5, "
"6, Agree - n/a"
"7, "
"8, n/a"
"9, "
"10, See above"
"11, "
"12, "
"13, Vital that parents
are involved"
"14, "
"15, Parents should be
involved"
"16, I agree with parent
involvement in senior appointments"
"17, "
"18, N/A"
"19, Just leave things
as they are"
"20, We agree with the
principle of parental involvement through the current School
Board mechanism"
"21, "
"22, -"
"23, -"
"24, "
"25, Forum should be
involved and training given to forum"
"26, "
"27, Present system
gives adequate representation to School Boards and should be
retained"
"28, More strategic
information is requires!"
"29, -"
"30, -"
"31, "
"32, What is driving
this needless legislation? You do not have a mandate to do
so."
"33, N/A"
"34, "
"35, The existing system
is far more effective that this extraordinary ill conceived
alternative proposal will every be"
"36, "
"37, N/A"
"38, "
"39, "
"40, Yes"
"41, "
"42, "
"43, "
"44, "
"45, "
"46, Do agree"
"47, Partly, but poor
performance by local authority makes for distrust of their
involvement in forum"
"48, N/A"
"49, "
"50, "
"51, Current system is
fine and does involve parents. This is what the Minister
has stated he wants"
"52, N/A"
"53, "
"54, "
"55, We believe
scrapping the Board is a pointless exercise, costly and wasteful.
Just another badly thought out initiative"
"56, No interviewing
panels can be too large"
"57, See before -
employer must have control. Privacy of applicants must be
protected."
"58, N/A"
"59, "
"60, "
"61, There should be
parental involvement in all appointment processes but all such
parents must be properly trained"
"62, "
"63, The status quo
should remain"
"64, "
"65, "
"66, "
"67, N/A"
"68, N/A"
"69, Yes we agree there
should be involvement but how will we protect against single
issue parents?"
"70, The Board agreed
that the principle of parental involvement must be
retained."
"71, "
"72, "
"73, "
"74, N/A"
"75, We agree that
parental involvement in senior appointments should be retained
although we disagree with parent forums"
"76, "
"77, We would wish
parents still to be involved"
"78, Only properly
trained parents should continue to be represented in Head Teacher
appointments"
"79, We do not
disagree"
"80, "
"81, I DO strongly agree
that the principle of parental involvement should be
retained"
"82, The view is that
there is a need to modernise the appointments process for senior
management in education but that it is important that there
continues to be scope for parental involvement in the
process."
"83, "
"84, Current Board
system should be retained"
"85, Agree with the
principle of parental involvement - but should be more than just
involvement - the current system where they have roles and
responsibilities and equal say in appointments should be
retained."
"86, "
"87, "
"88, N/A"
"89, "
"90, "
"91, Because we have
school boards that work effectively at present."
"92, We, as a school
board, representing the views of parents whose children attend
(our) school, are unanimously rejecting the new proposal, and are
against abolishment of the Scottish School Board 1988 Act."
"93, Present system is
fair."
"94, We agree"
"95, Blank"
"96, "
"97, Blank"
"98, We feel that the
boundaries would become too lax."
"99, See QS20 ( School
Board participation in appointments is a valuable asset. )"
"100, We do agree"
"101, Blank."
"102, We agree that the
principle of parental involvement is paramount."
"103, I am concerned
that forums will be groupings of parents with little focus on
issues to hand. This may be made up of small groups and not
representative of the business."
"104, Blank"
"105, School Boards are
best option available."
"106, Blank"
"107, Blank"
"108, Current system
works well."
"109, Lack of in-depth
knowledge of skills required for the post."
"110, We agree there
should be continued parental involvement as there is with
existing boards."
"111, Blank"
"112, "
"113, What is meant by
parental involvement ? There is a GUARANTEE of parental
REPRESENTATION under the existing arrangements."
"114, Blank"
"115, N / A"
"116, I agree with the
principle, however I do not see that change is necessary."
"117, Agreed"
"118, Parental input is
invaluable."
"119, Blank"
"120, We agree"
"121, Parental
involvement should be retained by the involvement of parent
forums in the new senior appointments processes."
"122, We do agree"
"123, Blank"
"124, If its not already
broken, then don't break it to fix it."
"125, I feel that both
parents and staff should both be involved."
"126, I don't disagree
with parent involvement but just do not agree with the proposed
changes."
"127, N / A"
"128, Blank"
"129, We believe that
the suggested format is too looses and will struggle to achieve
sufficient parental involvement in some areas. As a
Catholic School we believe that the Church should retain the
right to co-opt members.
We believe that the formal school board structure with the
support of the SSBA will best support the school and 'tweaking'
the current act is the best course."
"130, We are wholly in
favour of parental involvement. This is already achieved to
its maximum potential by the existing system."
"131, Blank"
"132, Blank"
"133, Blank"
"134, Blank"
"135, N / A"
"136, Blank"
"137, Blank"
"138, Blank"
"139, N / A"
"140, Parental
involvement should be retained."
"141, We do agree"
"142, Existing system
works, why change."
"143, Agree"
"144, Parents should be
involved"
"145, "
"146, "
"147, N / A as we do not
want forums and want school boards to remain."
"148, No"
"149, None"
"150, N / A"
"151, N / A"
"152, The principal of
parental involvement should be retained by School Boards and not
parent forums."
"153, What will be the
new senior appointments process."
"154, I agree"
"155, Blank"
"156, ?"
"157, Involvement of
school boards should be sufficient. Parents have
opportunity for involvement through boards."
"158, Blank"
"159, "
"160, N / A"
"161, See QS 20 (
No - the existing involvement should continue in selection
process & should be a requirement. Built into the
legislation. )"
"162, Blank"
"163, Blank"
"164, "
"165, Not willing to
answer 'loaded' questions about something unnecessary."
"166, "
"167, N/A"
"168, We do agree with
the principle of parental involvement as is the case within the
status quo."
"169, "
"170, The leet should be
the responsibility of Education Authority personnel but there
should be more training and support."
"171, N/A"
"172, We agree with
parental involvement"
"173, N/A"
"174, "
"175, Parents should
remain involved in the senior appointments processes."
"176, "
"177, Agree with
principle of parental involvement."
"178, It should be
retained."
"179, "
"180, "
"181, "
"182, "
"183, "
"184, School Boards are
already involved. Parents should have a say!"
"185, "
"186, "
"187, I do agree
strongly."
"188, Blank"
"189, The parents give a
more local / personal view to the childrens education and
not merely on the financial and managerial duties of the
education authority. If this was lost then it would be to
the detriment of the child / school."
"190, I agree that
current procedure is acceptable."
"191, "
"192, Yes - retain"
"193, "
"194, We do agree but
only in the minority. There has to be major EA
involvement"
"195, "
"196, "
"197, "
"198, Consistency is
required. Should be impartiality in selection of senior
appointments. A degree of knowledge and training is
required to sit on a panel. What if too many or not enough
parents wish to sit on the panel."
"199, "
"200, "
"201, We agree with
parental involvement although we disagree with School
Forums."
"202, "
"203, "
"204, Do still
agree"
"205, Parental
involvement should be retained provided adequate training has
been undertaken before sitting on interview panel."
"206, Blank"
"207, Blank"
"208, Blank"
"209, I think that
currently, the parents, church, education authority are well
represented in the senior appointments process and see no need
for change."
"210, Blank"
"211, Blank"
"212, N / A"
"213, Parental
representation, as under the current system, should be
continued."
"214, N / A"
"215, Do agree"
"216, School board
representation"
"217, Blank"
"218, School Board has
worked well over the years and more parents involved would cause
more problems with decision making."
"219, Blank"
"220, Blank"
"221, N / A"
"222, It should be
retained."
"223, As per the
response to question 20 ( but this alone is not a justification
for the bill. This bill does not guarantee strong parental
and other stakeholder involvement in such appointments.) we
believe that strong parental and other stakeholder involvement in
such appointments should be guaranteed in legislation."
"224, "
"225, It is vital that
there is parental involvement in the appointment of head
teachers.
Involvement in other appointments within schools should only be
at the invitation if Heads."
"226, We do NOT agree
with the proposed Parent Forums."
"227, We do agree"
"228, Leave as school
board."
"229, N / A"
"230, Blank"
"231, We agree. As
long as there is a good relationship between the Educational
Authority, School, School Board, PTA's and parents, etc."
"232, "
"233, Agree it should be
retained."
"234, N / A"
"235, We want parental
involvement to continue, in a structured manner as already exists
within the school board."
"236, N/A"
"237, "
"238, Blank"
"239, Blank"
"240, Yes, as parents
should have a say. Training may be required.
What does ' involvement' of parent forums mean ?
Would we have some level of involvement as at present ?"
"241, Blank"
"242, Agreeable"
"243, Board / Parent
involvement should be retained, however depends on format of
parental forum."
"244, Parents should
receive suitable training to allow them to participate
meaningfully."
"245, Again if
""New Forum"" is a must then it must have
representative on interview panels."
"246, "
"247, "
"248, We did agree"
"249, I have no comment.
The appointment of Head Teachers and Deputies in my opinion,
should not be part of the forum remit to discuss."
"250, ?"
"251, -"
"252, "
"253, "
"254, We agree with the
principle of parental involvement."
"255, N/A"
"256, N/A"
"257, "
"258, Parents should
definitely be involved."
"259, Do parents have
correct skills?"
"260, "
"261, Parent forums
should have the same involvement as School Boards at
present."
"262, Parents could be
involved if on a development board basis"
"263, No issues"
"264, "
"265, We would prefer to
enhance current procedures, maintaining and enhancing parental
involvement in decision making"
"266, We do not
disagree"
"267, "
"268, "
"269, "
"270, Existing
arrangements satisfactory"
"271, I do not agree.
Education have more experience in appointing suitable candidates
for senior posts. I believe they do a good job so why
change it."
"272, We consider that
the current structure should be retained until more specific
information is issues."
"273, "
"274, As each parent
forum could have different rules then it would not be equitable
for them to e involved in senior appointments. The existing
School Board arrangements provide a level playing field."
"275, People who have
not been elected by the School's parent body cannot be relied
upon to represent the wider body - they will have their own
agendas."
"276, Of course parent
involvement should be retained."
"277, If these forums
are in place, then it should be allowed a say on appointments.
But how will this be formalised? At present the elected School
Board member, if properly trained is allowed to take part in
interview and is involved in a selection process. This is fine in
the context of relatively small School Boards but how will be
achieved in a possibly much larger forum. How will
representatives be chosen and what training will they
receive?"
"278, There is room for
a more flexible approach in the present system. The present
system is very geared towards the 45 minute interview. This
is good for those with good interviewing skills, which doesn't
always mean the right Head Teacher for the job. Perhaps a
more open-ended and comprehensive approach is required. We
are happy to let the experts in these fields guide our
thinking."
"279, As School Boards
are involved in senior appointments this power should be
transferred to parent forums."
"280, "
"281, "
"282, Blank"
"283, Parental
involvement should definitely continue in this process."
"284, Comments were :
school boards are doing a good job and can only see trouble if
too many parents are ........ the head teachers; parent forum and
how it is set up and organised is too vague therefore should not
be involved in senior appointment. School Boards are
already involved in 'appointments'."
"285, "
"286, NB It is the view
of (our) school board that these questions are too prescriptive
in nature and do not give an opportunity to address some
fundamental matters raised by the proposed new bill as drafted.
Please see our response in the additional comments box."
"287, Blank"
"288, Our school has a
very good PTA and School Board already and to change a successful
partnership seems ridiculous."
"289, "
"290, "
"291, We, as a school
board, representing the views of parents whose children attend
(our)Primary School, are unanimously rejecting the new proposal,
and are against abolishment of the Scottish School Board 1988
Act."
"292, "
"293, "
"294, See answers above.
(We believe that the present system of parental representation on
appointment panels is working. If a new flexible system 'waters
down' parental input to appointing senior staff in schools, we
would be against this.)"
"295, On the contrary, I
believe that School Board or Parental Forums should be
involved."
"296, "
"297, No reply."
"298, "
"299, "
"300, "
"301, "
"302, "
"303, "
"304, Based on the draft
consultation, it is not possible to state the reasonableness or
otherwise of parent forum involvement in the appointment system.
This principally reflects the absence of detail on the proposed
forums' constitutional duties and responsibilities and the
structure of such groups within the school community.
"
"305, "
"306, Yes we agree there
should be involvement but how will we protect against single
issue parents?
"
"307, "
"308, "
"309, "
"310, Not applicable,
see above."
"311, N/A"
"312, "
"313, "
"314, "
"315, "
"316, We accept the
principle that parent representatives should be involved."
"317, We do agree that
parents should be involved."
"318, "
"319, Stop jobs for the
boys!"
"320, "
"321, "
"322, Parents should be
involved along with others."
"323, Parental
involvement via appointed bodies must be maintained in the
selection process of senior appointments within schools, to allow
a spread of opinion to be taken into account."
"324, We agree"
"325, I do agree"
"326, N/A"
"327, "
"328, Yes - agree"
"329, "
"330, "
"331, "
"332, "
"333, "
"334, "
"335, "
"336, I do agree that
the principle of parental involvement should be retained by the
involvement of parent forums but that the decision making process
should be decided by the education authority."
"337, Parental
involvement should be retained."
"338, "
"339, "
"340, "
"341, See previous
answers. - We believe that the present system of parental
representation on appointment panels is working. If a new
flexible system 'waters down' parental involvement to appointing
senior staff in schools, we would be against this."
"342, (Our) School Board
believe that parents should be involved in the appointment of all
staff, which it currently is. What provisions are there in the
Bill for training Forum members to sit on interview panels? At
present Board members receive training to enable them to sit on
interview panels. "
"343, Again your
question takes as its base, the establishment of parent forums.
We do agree with the principle of parental involvement. There
is more than just involvement needed. The present system,
where as members of the Board, parents have roles and
responsibilities and equal say in appointments, should be
retained.
"
"344, We do agree with
the principle. We also see Church approval as important in
appointments in denominational schools. "
"345, N/A"
"346, No issues"
"347, We do agree."
"348, Refer q. 20
above."
"349, Blank"
"350, Parental
involvement in the appointment of senior appointment is
absolutely essential and School Boards have fulfilled this role
very effectively over the years. In terms of the very
decentralized system of Parental Forums being advocated by the
Scottish
Executive, there will need to be guidance published on who will
be eligible to represent the parents in a school in an
appointments process. School Board members were all subject
to an open election process, whilst this will not necessarily be
the case with Parental Forums."
"351, "
"352, "
"353, "
"354, It is valuable to
have a complaints procedure both for parents and teachers- This
Bill will cause a breakdown between parents and teachers."
"355, Yes we do agree
but see also our answer to Q20."
"356, "
"357, See A20 ( We found
that the current system works very effectively. SB
involvement means that parents and the community are consulted. )
"
"358, There should be
clear obligations as regards the nature of parental involvement
in the new senior appointments process. Parents (whether as
members of the existing School Boards or proposed Parent Forum
should have the right to active involvement in decision making (a
vote) rather than simply to be consulted."
"359, "
"360, "
"361, See answer to
question 20 and introductory paragraph. ( The bill makes
point about Head Teacher selection process which indicates
Minister could influence selection criteria. Minister might
say don't want parents involved and all sorts etc which means
this is forced on selection board. Selection of Head
Teacher must relate not only to ability of candidate but need of
school. ) "
"362, N/A SEE 20
ABOVE
"
"363, "
"364, "
"365, "
"366, N / A"
"367, "
"368, "
"369, "
"370, The parents forum
should be represented at senior appointments processes because
staff are key to good working relationships with both pupils and
parents - it is a bit of empowerment to parents."
"371, Parental
involvement should be retained by the involvement of School Board
members as currently happens in (our Region)."
"372, We wish to keep
involvement"
"373, N/A"
"374, 1 group - parental
involvement retained at consultative level. Parents not
responsible for choice - this is unfair, but one off interview is
poor system"
"375, "
"376, Parents are
involved at the moment. With this new forum everyone could
lose out on working as a team."
"377, As parent forums
could be numerous within each school and if you are suggesting
each one could be represented in the appointment process of
teaching staff then we would strongly disagree as this could turn
out to be a very large panel with many under qualified people who
understand the role of a teacher instead of the many parents who
mainly have their individual child's needs and requirements in
mind?"
"378, Parents should
retain involvement"
"379, Again - your
question takes as it s base the establishment of parent forums.
We do agree with the principle of parental involvement. There
is more than just involvement needed. The present system
where, as members of the Board, parents have roles and
responsibilities and equal say in appointments should be
retained."
"380, "
"381, Under the present
system School Boards have training this process and it is not
clear if forums will retain this training."
"382, N/A"
"383, "
"384, "
"385, "
"386, "
"387, "
"388, "
"389, "
"390, "
"391, Parental
involvement must be retained."
"392, "
"393, Parental
involvement in appointing senior staff should be retained."
"394, I want parental
involvement retained."
"395, "
"396, "
"397, "
"398, I think they
should. Parents give an excellent balance to a panel. What
about a School Clerk?"
"399, Am against parent
forums. Everything too vague. Where are the rules and
regulation? All too airy fairy which could possibly end in
a 'mild' chaos; The education system does not need this.
Has enough challenges to contend with."
"400, I am against
parent forums as I think the proposals are too vague. There
seems to be no rules and regulations - no obligation to keep
records. Head Teacher doesn't have to attend meetings - it
all seems too 'free'."
"401, Existing system
ok"
"402, "
"403, "
"404, We regard it as
critically important that at least some parents take a direct
role in the interview and selection process that selects the
individual of Head Teacher or Deputy Head Teacher. The
relationship senior managers in a school have to parents in the
interview and appointment process tests that in a way that no
other process could. We regard the maintenance of this
right as a litmus test of the good faith of the Scottish
Executive in their claim of wishing to strengthen parental
involvement in schools."
"405, Yes. The purpose
of School Boards is to improve education in their school and to
work with the Education Authority. Involvement in this process
ensures that there is appropriate involvement.
"
"406, As stated in 20,
we agree that the parent body should retain its involvement in
the appointment process.
"
"407, Parents must
remain involved in the senior appointment processes as outlined
above."
"408, "
"409, see above"
"410, "
"411, "
"412, "
"413, "
"414, Blank"
"415, "
"416, "
"417, "
"418, "
"419, "
"420, "
"421, "
"422, "
"423, Yes. Parents
should continue to have an influence in the recruitment
process."
"424, Blank."
"425, "
"426, Parents should
definitely be involved in the new senior appointments processes.
"
"427, Blank"
"428, Parental
involvement in the appointment of senior appointment is
absolutely essential and School Boards have fulfilled this role
very effectively over the years.
In terms of the very decentralized system of Parental Forums
being advocated by the Scottish Executive, there will need to be
guidance published on who will be eligible to represent the
parents in a school in an appointments process. School Board
members were all subject to an open election process, whilst this
will not necessarily be the case with Parental Forums.
"
"429, School boards
should continue to be consulted, as parental involvement is
essential."
"430, See question 20. (
We agree that the current single interview procedure of selection
for Head teachers and Deputy Head Teachers should be replaced.
A system should be put in place, which relates to that which
currently pertains in industry. We consider that in any
system introduced it is essential that parents should continue to
be involved in final selection. ) It is emphasised that it
is essential for parents to continue to be involved."
"431, We feel strongly
that parental involvement in the senior appointments process is
important and necessary. We feel that this function would
be best retained by modified School Boards and would like to see
further debate and consultation on how a parent forum (along the
lines of our response to Question 6) would also be involved in
this process."
"432, Blank"
"433, Blank"
"434, The Board believes
that the principle of parental involvement should be retained in
the senior appointments process by parent forums. Parents
should be involved in the direction of the school and given the
opportunity to satisfy themselves in regard to the suitability of
candidates. Such representation will also ensure that the
person appointed has an understanding and awareness of parental
views and of the ethos of the school before accepting the
position."
"435, Because we have
not agreed to the abolition of School Boards that currently are
involved in appointment processes, it makes it difficult to agree
to the idea of forums being involved in the appointment processes
at all. This is specifically the case if these bodies are
as unstructured and ""flexible"" as the Draft
Bill implies.
The reason for this is because we feel that the principle of
parental involvement should be retained by School Boards who are
better placed to fulfil this role with regard to appointments
processes owing to the nature of their structures.
School Boards consist of a representative group of
member's-parental/co-opted/PTA reps/staff/church in the case of
Catholic schools and may receive advice from staff and
councillors or any co-opted members deemed by the Board to be
beneficial to the school when making such important decisions.
School Boards are also provided with training and guidance if
required to carry out senior appointments processes.
"
"436, Not
applicable."
"437, No issues"
"438, The existing
arrangements are generally satisfactory. We do agree that
parents should continue to be involved in the senior appointment
selection process."
"439, Blank"
"440, We do not agree
that only the PRINCIPLE of parental involvement should be
retained but that PARENTAL INVOLVEMENT should be retained. This
section needs re-wording so that this is absolutely clear."
"441, Blank"
"442, Blank"
"443, "
"444, "
"445, "
"446, N/A"
"447, Blank"
"448, "
"449, Need to be
involved."
"450, Blank."
"451, Retain current
school board."
"452, "
"453, Blank"
"454, The involvement of
Parent Forums is essential."
"455, "
"456, "
"457, Blank"
"458, Blank"
"459, N/A"
"460, It is unworkable
in an ""informal"" parent forum."
"461, Needs practice as
well as principle."
"462, Blank"
"463, No, they are not
necessarily experienced teachers, educators or social workers.
You don't choose who your dental practice appoints as a new
partner just because you have got teeth."
"464, Explained in prior
question. ( We find the status quo satisfactory.
)"
"465, Blank"
"466, Refer to 20 (
Yes - but a level of consultation for parents )"
"467, We agree to
parental involvement"
"468, Parents once
trained, should be on the interview panel and be part of the
senior appointment panel."
"469, We agree"
"470, Do agree with
principle but would need detail of how, before deciding on
agreement with Bill."
"471, Blank"
"472, Parental
involvement is OK."
"473, I feel that a
parent forum, including several co-opted members could be very
biased for or against a candidate. How are they to judge
strengths and weaknesses ?"
"474, Parents should be
consulted and involved in appointments of senior staff."
"475, We agree that
parental involvement should be retained in the senior
appointments processes as long as parents receive the correct
balance of parents to professionals on the panel."
"476, IF school boards
were to be replaced by parent forums, then they should have the
same level of involvement in senior appointments as school
boards."
"477, Agree"
"478, We do agree."
"479, I definitely agree
that parents should be involved in the senior appointments
process but school boards are a fairer, more representative body
than the proposed parent forums."
"480, N/A"
"481, Professional
personnel should be in the majority with one representative from
the school board."
"482, N/A"
"483, Parent forums must
be involved in new senior appointments."
"484, Improvements
referred as in question 20 will still retain parental
involvement."
"485, Blank"