Making the difference involving parents better in schools
Question 12
Do you agree that the Bill should not result in parent forum members being subject to automatic disclosure checks but that members, like any other parent, should only be checked when engaging in activities defined under the Protection of Children (Scotland) Act 2003 ?
"1, Yes"
"2, Yes - for School
Boards"
"3, Only when in direct
contact with children"
"4, I think so"
"5, Yes"
"6, Yes"
"7, No - should be no
need to change this - being on the Board doesn't mean you have
contact with pupils."
"8, Yes - but this will
cost a lot"
"9, Yes"
"10, We think any
individual with any involvement with the school should be
disclosure checked"
"11, Yes"
"12, "
"13, Everyone is
involved in schools at all should be subject to disclosure
checks"
"14, Yes"
"15, Yes"
"16, Yes"
"17, No"
"18, This should be at
discretion of Education Service within each Local Authority.
Would not object to automatic disclosures"
"19, "
"20, Yes"
"21, Yes"
"22, Yes"
"23, Yes"
"24, "
"25, Yes"
"26, -"
"27, Yes"
"28, N/A"
"29, Yes - all parents
should be able to have representation. Parents should only
be checked if they were involved in organising children's
events"
"30, -"
"31, "
"32, Protection of
children should be paramount in every situation"
"33, The current School
Board legislation together with the Protection of Children
(Scotland) Act 2003 together provides sufficient protection for
children."
"34, I do not agree with
the Bill"
"35, Board members and
PTA Committee members are not checked at present"
"36, Yes"
"37, Disclosures should
be used for everyone involved. That included the School
Board."
"38, Yes -
absolutely"
"39, "
"40, Yes"
"41, No I do not agree
with the content of Question 12"
"42, Yes - in the
context of School Board"
"43, Yes"
"44, Yes"
"45, Yes"
"46, No"
"47, Yes - unless local
councillors and MSPs agree to undergo disclosure checks, parents
should not be forced to do this"
"48, Yes"
"49, "
"50, "
"51, No - parents who
have responsibility for children should be required to have
disclosure check. Parent forum members should therefore be
checked"
"52, Yes"
"53, School Boards do
not undergo disclosure checks. This would not be needed as
parents are not working with children"
"54, "
"55, Yes and No"
"56, No"
"57, Yes"
"58, Yes but there needs
to be awareness that any access to children requires disclosure
checks"
"59, "
"60, Yes"
"61, Since there is a
lack of clarity as to what parent forums are going to do all
members of all parent forums within a school would need to be
disclosure checked"
"62, "
"63, Only when
necessary"
"64, Yes"
"65, "
"66, "
"67, Yes"
"68, No automatic
disclosure. The 2003 Act is strenuous enough in its demands
on anyone wanting to join any organisation"
"69, Yes - in the
majority"
"70, A majority of Board
members agreed with the above statement"
"71, "
"72, "
"73, "
"74, Yes, should
continue to follow the Act"
"75, Yes"
"76, I think anyone who
may come into contact with children should be Disclosure Scotland
checked."
"77, Yes"
"78, Only when in
direct, regular contact"
"79, Yes"
"80, Yes"
"81, Yes"
"82, There is no need
for disclosure checks assuming that members are not working
directly with children"
"83, "
"84, This is the current
system and should remain"
"85, If members of the
new parent forums are involved in activities where they come into
direct contact with children then of course they must go through
the disclosure process. Currently School Board members do
not have this contact as part of their School Board duties."
"86, Yes - not
practical"
"87, "
"88, Yes - however this
should also apply to any reformed School Board (since we do not
agree with the parent forum in their present form)"
"89, "
"90, "
"91, Yes"
"92, We, as a school
board, representing the views of parents whose children attend
(our) school, are unanimously rejecting the new proposal, and are
against abolishment of the Scottish School Board 1988 Act."
"93, Yes, we
agree."
"94, Only if they are
interacting with the children."
"95, Yes"
"96, "
"97, If there is a
suitable number of parents i.e. a quorum, then disclosure not
necessary - would be if only one pr two members on forum."
"98, Yes"
"99, Not
applicable"
"100, Yes"
"101, Yes"
"102, Yes, parents
should only be checked if they are coming into contact with
children."
"103, Disclosure checks
should not be required for parent members as they would have no
basis to be involved with children."
"104, "
"105, Yes."
"106, No"
"107, Yes"
"108, Yes"
"109, Yes"
"110, Yes"
"111, Can't make up my
mind.
Check out co-opted members??"
"112, "
"113, Agree"
"114, Yes, one check
should be enough"
"115, Yes, it would be
unnecessary for everyone to have to be disclosure checked
because they wouldn't normally have contact with the
children."
"116, Yes"
"117, Yes"
"118, Yes"
"119, Blank"
"120, Yes"
"121, Checks should only
be required if they are engaged in activities defined under the
Protection of Children (Scotland) Act 2003."
"122, No everyone should
be checked regardless, then if schools need help for activities
there would be no hold-ups they could help regardless."
"123, No, all forum
members should have disclosure checks done."
"124, Yes"
"125, Yes, I do
agree."
"126, Yes"
"127, Yes"
"128, Blank"
"129, No. Everyone
should be checked for the safety of children and their own
protection and vulnerability."
"130, Yes"
"131, Yes - see no need.
No contact with children as Board members."
"132, Blank"
"133, I think disclosure
checks should be mandatory."
"134, Only checked if
necessary."
"135, Yes"
"136, Blank"
"137, Parent forum
members should be checked if they are directly involved with
children."
"138, Only checked when
directly involved with children."
"139, Don't agree"
"140, No. Disclosure
as a matter of course would mean that the parents would be
available to help at school events. "
"141, Yes"
"142, No"
"143, Yes. Automatic
disclosure checks may prejudice the involvement of some
parents."
"144, Yes"
"145, "
"146, "
"147, N / A as we do not
want forums and want school boards to remain."
"148, Not for all
members - only for members involved with children."
"149, Yes (cost too
high) for all members."
"150, Yes"
"151, N / A"
"152, No
consensus."
"153, Yes"
"154, I disagree. All
members should be checked."
"155, Blank"
"156, Yes"
"157, N / A"
"158, Yes"
"159, "
"160, No change. Disclosure
checks only required if working with children."
"161, No - our parents
have indicated that ALL members should be checked, however, this
should be centrally funded."
"162, If no direct
involvement with children then no need for checks."
"163, Yes"
"164, "
"165, Not willing to
answer 'loaded' questions about something unnecessary."
"166, "
"167, No - as members
are engaging in business pertinent to a school then disclosure
checks should be automatic. Members are often in school
when children are present."
"168, We agree that
members should not be subject to automatic disclosure."
"169, Yes"
"170, Parent helpers
should be disclosed if they are working in one to one activities
but it is not necessary for School Board personnel"
"171, Yes however this
should also apply to any reformed School Board (since we do not
agree with the parent forum in their present form)"
"172, Yes"
"173, Yes this would be
an extreme measure for those not involved in child engaging
activities"
"174, Yes"
"175, Can't see that
this will encourage parents to participate."
"176, Yes"
"177, Agree"
"178, Yes"
"179, All members of the
forum should be checked - the more people involved, the harder it
will be to prevent non-checked people from stepping in to lend a
hand whether well intentioned or otherwise. (There will be
cost implications here)"
"180, "
"181, "
"182, Yes"
"183, Yes, we
agree."
"184, Law has already
decided this."
"185, "
"186, Yes no need unless
directly involved with children."
"187, Only checked under
Protection of Children (Scotland) Act 2003 as per any other
parent."
"188, Yes"
"189, They should be
automatically checked."
"190, No. Any
school forum present a different series of opportunities of
visibility to school children. Therefore, full disclosure
checks should be automatic."
"191, "
"192, Yes"
"193, Yes but we should
be assisted financially in building up a bank of parent helpers
and also a disclosure valid for scouts or brownies should be
valid for school and vice versa. Our school depends heavily
on parent helpers."
"194, Agree"
"195, As parents have
the right to choose who they invite it would probably be ok but
not all parents agree."
"196, Yes"
"197, Yes"
"198, Yes"
"199, Agree."
"200, "
"201, Yes"
"202, Much of the work
is not relevant to Disclosure Scotland but checks should be
carried out where appropriate."
"203, Yes"
"204, Yes"
"205, Yes"
"206, Yes - all to be
checked when joining forum / Board etc"
"207, Blank"
"208, Should be
disclosure checked - may need to be with children.
Issue where community involved - where does it stop!"
"209, Yes"
"210, Yes"
"211, Yes"
"212, Yes"
"213, Yes"
"214, No -- I think
automatic disclosure checks would be appropriate."
"215, Yes, agree."
"216, No"
"217, Yes"
"218, Automatic
disclosure check."
"219, Blank"
"220, Blank"
"221, Yes"
"222, Yes"
"223, Yes. But
this alone is not a justification for this unnecessary
bill."
"224, "
"225, Yes"
"226, Yes"
"227, Yes"
"228, We agree the Bill
should not result in members being subject to automatic
disclosure checks."
"229, No"
"230, Blank"
"231, We agree"
"232, "
"233, Yes"
"234, No. Only if
engaging in activities as described above."
"235, Yes"
"236, Yes"
"237, "
"238, At present, school
board members are not subject to disclosure checks but should be
checked if engaging in activities in the Protection of Children
(Scotland) Act 2003."
"239, No problem with
either."
"240, 2 schools of
thought:
1. Agree to only check when engaging in activities as above.
2. Err on side of caution and disclosure check all.
Who would foot the bill ?"
"241, Yes"
"242, Disclosure for
'school board' would be advantageous but could be seen as a
hurdle."
"243, Yes. No
direct contact with children - could put people off from becoming
involved."
"244, Yes"
"245, Why not ? Is
this a cost issue ??"
"246, "
"247, "
"248, Only if actually
involved with children"
"249, I think any member
should be subject to disclosure checks."
"250, Yes"
"251, Parents should not
be subject to automatic disclosure checks but checked only when
engaged in activities as defined under the Protection of Children
(Scotland) Act 2003."
"252, "
"253, "
"254, Yes - they should
not be checked until dealing directly with children"
"255, Yes"
"256, Yes - this is
bonkers! This will actively discourage parental
involvement"
"257, Yes"
"258, As far as
possible, all should have disclosure."
"259, Yes"
"260, This depend upon
the constitution. Parent forums may wish to be more
involved in the school and therefore disclosure checks would be
required."
"261, Yes"
"262, Yes"
"263, Agree"
"264, Yes"
"265, Yes"
"266, Yes - disclosures
should be done as and when necessary."
"267, "
"268, "
"269, Forum members
could come into contact with children - checks should be
compulsory"
"270, Yes"
"271, No - disagree -
all members who have a regular input to the group should be
checked ensuring several members who attend activities have been
checked."
"272, Not
applicable"
"273, I agree."
"274, Disclosure checks
are only necessary when engaging in activities defined under the
Protection of Children Act - anything more is pointless
paper-pushing."
"275, Yes"
"276, Yes"
"277, No"
"278, "
"279, Yes I agree with
the above statement."
"280, "
"281, "
"282, No objection but
sounds like over kill."
"283, Disclosure checks
need only be necessary when unsupervised access to children is
involved."
"284, Majority (4)
replied Yes.
Minority (1) replied No."
"285, "
"286, NB It is the view
of (our) school board that these questions are too prescriptive
in nature and do not give an opportunity to address some
fundamental matters raised by the proposed new bill as drafted.
Please see our response in the additional comments box."
"287, Blank"
"288, Under current
school board rules all members are checked for criminal
convictions. Already and automatic enhanced disclosure
checks carried out for all parents working within the
school."
"289, "
"290, "
"291, We, as a school
board, representing the views of parents whose children attend
(our)Primary School, are unanimously rejecting the new proposal,
and are against abolishment of the Scottish School Board 1988
Act."
"292, "
"293, "
"294, Members should not
be subject to automatic disclosure checks."
"295, I agree with this
statement."
"296, "
"297, Yes we agree and
current laws cover this."
"298, "
"299, "
"300, "
"301, "
"302, "
"303, "
"304, Automatic
disclosure checks should not be required of any parent unless
they are engaged in activities defined under the Protection of
Children (Scotland) Act 2003.
"
"305, "
"306, In the majority -
yes.
"
"307, "
"308, "
"309, "
"310, Yes
"
"311, We do not agree
with the draft Bill. Much of the work of School
Boards is not relevant to Disclosure Scotland. However, it is
entirely appropriate that checks should be carried out when
relevant.
"
"312, "
"313, "
"314, All members should
have disclosure checks"
"315, Yes"
"316, Yes"
"317, We agree."
"318, No"
"319, All members should
be checked by Disclosure Scotland to safeguard both parents and
the admin authority."
"320, Yes"
"321, Yes"
"322, Yes, checking
should only take place when engaged in activities with the
children."
"323, Automatic
disclosure checks are essential to protect not only the children
but also the parents involved in such bodies."
"324, Yes - it is
difficult to see how the two may conflict."
"325, No - I believe
anyone wanting to serve on the forum should be willing to undergo
checks."
"326, Yes"
"327, With so many
opportunities for members of all parents groups to be associated
with school activities involving children, such checks should be
undertaken for all members of all relevant groups."
"328, Yes"
"329, No - parents
should only be checked when engaging in activities as defined in
the Act."
"330, Yes"
"331, "
"332, Yes"
"333, Yes"
"334, Yes!"
"335, Yes"
"336, I do not think
that parent forum members should be subject to automatic
disclosure checks."
"337, Yes"
"338, If no direct
involvement with children then no need for checks."
"339, Yes"
"340, "
"341, No - members
should not be subject to automatic disclosure checks."
"342, (Our) School Board
agrees that the Bill should not result in parent forum members
being subject to automatic disclosure checks. The school in
requesting parental help should run those checks."
"343, We refer to the
essence of the view of (our Councils Director of Education)
""Anticipate the worst and plan
accordingly."" Therefore, automatic disclosure
checks would be the norm. In the spirit of openness
necessary for the public good, further developments should
follow. (A) Council quote the suggestion of putting School Board
members' photographs on display in schools. This would also
apply to PTA members."
"344, Yes."
"345, Automatic
Disclosure checks - for whatever reason - have been a significant
burden to schools over the past few years and act as a
significant factor in reducing volunteerism and participation
from parents in school activities. Disclosure checks should
only occur when engaging in activities defined under the
Protection of Children (Scotland) Act 2003. The current
School board approach to this issue should not be changed at this
time."
"346, Agreed."
"347, Yes."
"348, Agreed."
"349, Yes."
"350, Agree with the
approach being proposed."
"351, "
"352, "
"353, "
"354, Yes. These
disclosures are putting parents off. Most Head Teachers
truly believe in partnerships with their parents but this Bill is
ignoring staff in the set up. An agreed partnership between
schools, education authority and parents would be the best way
forward."
"355, Yes we
agree."
"356, "
"357, Extra disclosure
might discourage people - this would be an additional hurdle.
Status quo does work."
"358, Yes"
"359, "
"360, Yes"
"361, - Yes see earlier
comments
- Part of the agenda of Scottish Executive seems to be expansion
of provision of pre and after school care so they stay in school,
so does the thrust of the new forum have this in mind? If so it
will not work as parents/guardians who help at school in the main
do not want to be then involved in caring for other people's
children.
"
"362, YES"
"363, "
"364, "
"365, "
"366, N / A"
"367, "
"368, "
"369, Yes"
"370, Don't know."
"371, All
members/parents directly involved with children should be
disclosure checked as defined under the Protection of Children
(Scotland) Act 2003."
"372, Yes"
"373, N/A"
"374, Yes - no
relevance"
"375, No need now.
No need in the future."
"376, Yes"
"377, What we believe is
that any person who is to be involved with our children, or any
children, should be willing to undertake a check if required.
We are a School Board who are here to help enhance our children's
time at school not put them at any risk whatsoever."
"378, Disclosure is only
necessary when undertaking activities governed by the child
protection legislation."
"379, We refer to the
essence of the view of the Director of (a) Council's education
department - ""Anticipate the worst and plan
accordingly"". Therefore automatic disclosure
checks would be the norm. In the spirit of openness
necessary for the public good, further developments should
follow. ( The Ed Dept ) quote the suggestion of putting
School Board members' photographs on display in schools. This
would also apply to PTA members."
"380, Yes"
"381, Automatic
disclosure checks should be confined o those in direct contact
with children. Board and forum members do not fit this
criteria."
"382, I think anyone who
has an effect on the running of the School Board should have
disclosure checks."
"383, Yes we agree that
the Bill should definitely not result in automatic disclosure
checks."
"384, Yes - I
agree"
"385, Yes"
"386, Yes there is
enough folly involved in disclosure that will see the end to a
lot of perfectly willing and honest volunteers. This
country is going PC mad!!"
"387, Yes"
"388, Yes"
"389, Yes - agree that
Bill should not result in parent forum members being subject to
automatic disclosure checks. This should be the case only
when engaging in activities as defined above."
"390, Appreciate Schools
do this at own cost but strongly believe anyone with a position
of power/authority in a school should be checked
(forum/Board/PTA/helper etc)"
"391, Yes - the
requirement for being subject to automatic disclosure checks is
likely to be a disincentive for persons to become involved.
Why should there be an automatic requirement for disclosure
checks?"
"392, Yes"
"393, Yes - but some
difference of view here."
"394, No"
"395, "
"396, Yes"
"397, Only necessary if
members were to be with children/young people."
"398, Yes - parents only
need automatic disclosure if working on their own with
children."
"399, Yes"
"400, Yes"
"401, Yes"
"402, Yes"
"403, "
"404, We agree that
parent forum members should not be subject to automatic
disclosure checks under the Protection of Children (Scotland) Act
2003 unless they are engaged in activities defined in the Act.
The possibility seems particularly ludicrous since all parents
might be entitled to be members of a forum and the possibility is
tantamount to saying that all parents should be subjected to such
checks merely because they are parents."
"405, Local Authorities
are currently implementing the requirements of the Protection of
Children (Scotland) Act 2003. It is our understanding that
it relates to people in direct contact with children or whose
decisions could affect the security and safety of children that
requires disclosure checks. The Board agrees that POCSA
checks are not necessary for Board members.
"
"406, Yes.
"
"407, Yes, we agree that
membership of a Forum should not require automatic disclosure
checks. However, we would recommend that the Head Teacher is
present at meetings to advise on any child protection issues that
arise. We also recommend that it is clearly outlined that issues
or information regarding
individual children should not be discussed at
Forums."
"408, "
"409, Yes"
"410, "
"411, "
"412, "
"413, "
"414, Blank"
"415, "
"416, "
"417, "
"418, "
"419, Yes"
"420, "
"421, "
"422, "
"423, Yes."
"424, Yes."
"425, "
"426, Agree"
"427, We think that such
checks need only occur when engaging in activities under the
protection of Children Act. We do think it appropriate for
forum members to engage in activities where they would be in sole
charge of children, nor do we think that membership confers any
right of access to children at the school."
"428, Agree with the
approach being proposed."
"429, The Board does not
agree with the Bill. No material changes are required to
the current situation. Disclosure should only apply where there
is direct contact with children."
"430, We do not consider
that members of a Parent Forum should have to undergo automatic
disclosure checks other than when engaged in defined
activities."
"431, With the caveats
relating to parent forums, outlined in our response to Question
10, there was not an initial feeling amongst members of this
School Board that expenditure on automatic disclosure checks
(either for School Boards or parent forums) would produce a
cost-benefit, and therefore these would be better reserved until
there was a clear requirement. However, in consultation
with parents, there emerged a strong opinion that any adult in
any position of influence over aspects of children's education,
even in the absence of direct contact, needed to be automatically
checked - to be as sure as possible that there could be no
undesirable hidden motivations in any resultant decisions."
"432, Yes, but perhaps
co-opted members should be subject to some sort of screening
process."
"433, Yes"
"434, Yes, unless the
parent forums could be described as a form of committee of the
local authority concerned with the provision of education ."
"435, No. Chair
expressed concern in the sense that belonging to forums provided
a window of access into school environments. If you are a
forum member, this means that you have regular access to the
school in some respect. If anything untoward were to happen
within school environments because of any
""unchecked"" forum member, it would only be
natural for people to say: you mean to say that you didn't even
check on these peoples' backgrounds????!!!
Surely Disclosure checks are about keeping the children safe.
Such cheeks should not put any genuine people wishing to carry
out genuinely beneficial work for the school community off, and
if this issue does, then such individuals shouldn't be there in
the first place.
What harm would Disclosure checks do? After what happened
in Dunblane; what happened to the 2 schoolgirls Holly &
Jessica who were murdered; we should all be ensuring that every
effort is being made to keep our children as secure as possible.
Increasing parental involvement in various ways is a good
intention, however trying to do so by cutting corners regarding
safety is simply not the right way to go about it.
"
"436, While we do not
agree with the Bill itself, we agree that members of parents'
representative bodies should only be checked when engaging in
activities defined under the Protection of Children (Scotland)
Act 2003."
"437, Agreed."
"438, This is a
technical question over legal arrangements. We do not feel
qualified to respond on the existing versus the Draft Bill.
Note that this question is poorly stated. The question
assumes that the Draft Bill arrangements are inevitable."
"439, Yes. Only if
members were in contact with children. If pupil representatives
were attending the meetings then it may be necessary that members
would undergo disclosure checks."
"440, Yes. It is
already difficult to persuade parents to come forward and
automatic disclosure could be a barrier. We agree that
disclosure should only be required when engaging in activities
defined under the Protection of Children Act."
"441, Yes"
"442, Yes"
"443, "
"444, "
"445, "
"446, Yes"
"447, Yes"
"448, "
"449, Yes"
"450, Yes we agree"
"451, Yes"
"452, "
"453, Everyone should be
subject to checks."
"454, Yes"
"455, "
"456, "
"457, Yes"
"458, Yes"
"459, Yes"
"460, Perhaps in today's
society all members of school boards or parent forums should be
subject to disclosure checks."
"461, Agree"
"462, Totally -
otherwise once again you reduce parental involvement. Some
parents - put off by the disclosure requirement."
"463, Should all have
disclosure checks"
"464, All members should
be ""disclosed"""
"465, Yes"
"466, Disagree - all
members should be checked."
"467, No - we believe
they should be checked."
"468, Yes"
"469, We feel that
automatic disclosure checks should be in place for school boards
as is the intention for all school staff."
"470, Yes"
"471, No. Members
should be subject to checks."
"472, No, disclosure is
essential."
"473, Yes"
"474, There is no
requirement for Board / Forum members to undergo disclosure as
long as there is no direct interaction with children."
"475, We agree."
"476, Agreed."
"477, No. All
members should be checked. Imagine the scandal if it was
later revealed that some members had a past that would prevent
them engaging in direct activities with children but they were
able to make decisions or be consulted on the education standards
for these children."
"478, We believe all
persons involved in any school business where the welfare and
education of minors is being discussed and addressed, should be
subject to automatic disclosure check as a matter of course"
"479, I think that any
parent who comes into contact with children should be
automatically disclosure checked. I do not see the need for
those on the school board to be checked as their task is to look
at education policies and problems to do with children's
education, but on sub groups of the board (such as fund
raising groups who are dealing directly with children ) those
parents should be checked."
"480, Parents involved
in the supervision of children should be involved in disclosure
checks."
"481, No. Disclosure
checks for all."
"482, Only those
directly involved in the supervision of children need be involved
in disclosure checks."
"483, Yes"
"484, This is the status
quo is it not ? Seems to be fine as is."
"485, Yes"